Solar new year. And why the Irish church had issues with the council of Whitby


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15 Responses to Solar new year. And why the Irish church had issues with the council of Whitby

  1. Kelly says:

    You’ve really been on a roll lately with your sky photos. Beautiful!

  2. Sage says:

    Beautiful photos–but why the issue with Whitby? Wasn’t that mostly about Easter?

    • V.H says:

      Yes. But the issue was how, as in what method, to make the calculations. Since the Celtic Church was in a battle with the Druidic tradition using the solar method was admitting defeat.
      At that time Rome had one major headache. In the 30/40 years since Muhammad’s death Rashid had removed Libya Egypt and the entire Holy Land from any semblance of Christian control.

  3. Kimberly says:

    Very pretty. Where were these taken?
    Yes, I was also wondering why the church had issues with the council of Whitby?

    • V.H says:

      Thanks Kimberley. I was on the mountain long before sunup.

      As Jeff says Whitby changed how ‘most’ in the Celtic church calculated the date of Easter. In doing that they changed from a lunar weighted to a solar weighted method. Back then Easter could fall on any day of the week. The easiest way to think of it is the lunar year is 11 days shorter than a solar year. It why Ramadan and the Jewish movable feast are different each year. And that I think is the key. I don’t think the church had a conniption in 660 and suddenly decided to shift away from how they’d been doing things. Yes there were noises all through about issues like that but had they been a real problem Nicaea would have fixed them as it did for all the others. The Creed isn’t a prayer so much as it’s a hammered out contract.
      I strongly suspect the refugees that ran before the scimitar ended up in Rome and began agitating for distinctions to be made.

      • V.H says:

        Sorry I forgot the answer. Some in the Celtic Church had issues with the changes in Whitby and moved to the west coast of Ireland to continue what they were doing. But the issue they had was that ‘here’ they had always used the Solar year for calculations. All the recent archaeology indicates this.
        And I think the reasoning was the sun at these latitudes is of far greater importance. Or to put it another way the sun the further you move from the equator isn’t as constant and it supersedes the fickleness of the moon vastly. And since your survival depended on migrations and crops it would be good to have a ball park notion of these things.

        • Kimberly says:

          I thought maybe it was your mountain, but I’m only viewing the photos from my phone and can’t get them big enough to see. Those are clouds? It almost looks like waves/water so I thought maybe you were near the ocean. I don’t think your mountain is near water, but the photos are so small to tell for sure. They’re lovely regardless, just curious.

          • V.H says:

            Agh, I should have said. It fog sitting in the valley. I’ll upload another.

            • V.H says:

              Done. I made this bigger, you might be able to pinch the photo a bit to re-size.

  4. Kimberly says:

    The first and last are the new ones? All that color! Just beautiful!

  5. Rebecca S. says:

    Lovely. The third one down is my favourite. I’m too tired presently to think about all that lunar solar stuff. Ugh.

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