Worth a watch

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6 Responses to Worth a watch

  1. Michele says:

    I’ve always liked Barney Frank. He seems sensible. I’ll be sad to see him leave office.

    • Vince says:

      I found his take refreshing since we over this side only hear the hawks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases#Overseas
      Looking at the numbers and then extrapolating the contingent needed to man them, you get to BIG numbers very rapidly.
      But from the point of view in the UK and many places within Europe. These bases are by far the largest employer for 50 miles. There is a swath through mid-Germany where the feeding&watering the US troops is the only source of income.

  2. Kimberly says:

    I’ve always found Barney Frank to have ideas that are based in common sense. I’m not knowledgeable enough to comment too much on his policy ideas other than to say his point at the end about job losses regardless the cuts makes a lot of a sense to me. I do see both sides of the military spending argument to a point, but when you look at its budget percentage, it’s upwards of of 60%. Education is 4%. To say there isn’t any room to cut is ludicrous. That list of bases you linked was overwhelming…I feel the urge to ask why can’t we just mind our own business. 🙂 My question to you, based on your comment above, is it ethically the US’s job to keep those bases in other countries due to the number of jobs they create even though they may not be needed? Would cutting bases world wide do more harm on the “world stage” than good in the US?

    • Vince says:

      Ethically, absolutely not. What’s interesting from my point of view is the demographic that supplies those bases is constant in all the areas within Europe, medium to large farmers. Contact other than that is rare indeed. They sit as isolated defended enclaves much as Camp Bastion sits in Afghanistan. R&R is away from the local area to the base so that enter London, Berlin, Milan,Vienna and are absorbed into the general Yank tourist on the streets and the nightclubs.
      Overall the US presence in Europe is very quite these days and wouldn’t be missed except by those mentioned above and those they employ. This will cause some hardship but nothing drastic.

      And the volume of them is shocking. I thought maybe ten in Germany and thirty overall in Europe. A compliment of 30.000 or so but http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2004/08/we_have_how_many_troops_in_europe.html it’s 120000 @ $40000 that’s about 5 billion on pay alone. And pay is the very least of the costs of fielding a soldier.

      • Vince says:

        I know the numbers are out of date but the flux caused by Afghanistan pretty much means the deployment remains as it was in ’04.

        • Kimberly says:

          The numbers, no matter if for or against them, are astounding. It kind of blows my mind. I would imagine the restructuring of it all would be a monumental task; one that, sadly, a lot of government wouldn’t/ doesn’t want to bother with.

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